Discussion of use cases and implementation experience integrating with Workday

[Steven Carmody <>]

I'd also agree the characterization of IC as "more than metadata".

As we've all experienced, though, these conversations usually start with 
a project team on the vendor side that's been told "make it work". 
Whether its Canvas or Workday or Box or (insert your favorite name here) 
they're most often using their own, proprietary, minimal SAML 
implementation, and they're feeling immense internal pressure to get 
*something* to work. All of those companies -- to my knowledge -- are 
still using their proprietary SAML implementations (altho they've been 
slowly enhanced over time).

A single campus talking with that vendor internal development team can't 
force the larger discussion -- how do we think we should do that ?

We do have a conversation underway with Ellucian about bringing their 
new WS02-based IDM into compliance with the federated-interop profile. 
Having that profile, and having it look "very official", has been an 
IMMENSE help in those discussions. The Azure team is also reviewing that 
profile (altho we haven't yet heard any feedback).

Could we use the Profile as a conversation starter with Workday and Canvas ?

On 3/11/16 10:27 AM, Michael R Gettes wrote:
> Exactly! Well said Scott. These are not just technical issues to be
resolved with each technical item in a vacuum. In total, this amounts to
business relationships for each institution and a larger relationship
for Higher Education with its key vendor partners. We have to
collectively manage these interactions much smarter and recognize each
interaction with these vendors is a building block to a larger goal and
each interaction has to be properly considered and managed.
> /mrg
>
> > On Mar 11, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Cantor, Scott 
> > <>
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > Well, to put a fine point on it, I think given where things land right now, 
> > > our
> > > ability to change things is approaching zero.  Had recent events not
> > > happened, we could have convinced Workday of the “InCommon way”
> > > which would also have been a positive impact on other Workday related
> > > efforts.  I disagree with the “low value” assessment in that it was never just
> > > about the metadata.
> >
> > I agree, I think it needs a larger engagement around a number of topics, and 
> > one of the frustrating things is the success companies have with 
> > compartmentalizing everything so that taken by themselves everything looks 
> > insignificant.
> >
> > -- Scott