InCommon Technical Discussions

["Cantor, Scott" <>]

On 3/30/17, 12:40 PM, 
"
 on behalf of Tom Scavo" 
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 on behalf of 
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 wrote:

> I agree with that assessment but it begs the (more positive) question:
> how do we invest what limited resources we have?

Not in the cloud vendor space and not on efforts connected to campuses that 
are focused on cloud integrations as the reason they're operating an IdP.

I think upleveling campuses that are invested in and care about research and 
collaboration goals is a worthwhile effort, alongside the more "keep the 
lights on and moving forward" tasks.

> One approach is to abruptly turn the problem on its head and focus on the 
> R&S SP (which is essentially what David suggested).
> Set a concrete goal to double the number of R&S SPs in the next 12 months. 
> In doing so, we will make R&S indispensable and
> irresistible to IdPs.

I think that's worth discussing, but I'm leery of any effort to "forcibly 
create" a market for something and I also think you're very optimistic about 
the impact. Campuses that don't care don't care. They aren't going to start 
caring because there's more to not care about. They simply don't, it's not 
part of their mission as organizations or within their scope of effort.

If anything, this is where TIER can help, by skipping the "on premise, but 
different" model and going straight to a managed service. Or a hub if that's 
the direction. That does seem to be what other federations are doing. I don't 
see any real alternative.

-- Scott