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Re: [Per-Entity] Does MDQ with single entity signing result in shorter usage periods for the signing key?
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- From: Ian Young <>
- To: Thomas Lenggenhager <>
- Cc: Per-Entity Metadata Working Group <>
- Subject: Re: [Per-Entity] Does MDQ with single entity signing result in shorter usage periods for the signing key?
- Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 09:19:14 +0100
> On 4 Aug 2016, at 07:22, Thomas Lenggenhager
> <>
> wrote:
>
> If I remember correctly from what I once learned in a cryptography class:
> The more signed material you produce with a key the easier it gets to
> attack it.
Historically, there have many cryptosystems designed which were vulnerable to
known plaintext attacks. The most famous was probably Enigma. Modern systems
tend to be designed to be resistant. I don't believe there is any known
plaintext attack for RSA, in particular; factoring the modulus is still the
bar to beat.
> MDQ with single entity signing would heavily increase the number of signed
> documents publicly accessible. Do we therefore need to shorten the usage
> period of the metadata signing key?
If there *was* a potential for a chosen plaintext attack -- and I don't
believe that's actually a concern -- it is worth ballparking the amount of
material generated against other common uses of RSA.
We're talking here about a few thousand signatures per day. 10K per day is
around 100 million in 30 years (which is the period over which we'd have real
concerns about factoring a 2048-bit modulus anyway).
By some accounts, google.com gets 3.5 *billion* queries *every single day*.
As of a couple of days ago, when they turned on HSTS, all of those go through
TLS. They won't all result in a private key operation, because of connection
cacheing, but my point is that in terms of increased volume we're still
talking about a drop in the ocean.
> Who knows more about this topic?
Actual academic cryptographers, of which I am not one.
-- Ian
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- [Per-Entity] Does MDQ with single entity signing result in shorter usage periods for the signing key?, Thomas Lenggenhager, 08/04/2016
- Re: [Per-Entity] Does MDQ with single entity signing result in shorter usage periods for the signing key?, Ian Young, 08/04/2016
- Re: [Per-Entity] Does MDQ with single entity signing result in shorter usage periods for the signing key?, Ian Young, 08/04/2016
- Re: [Per-Entity] Does MDQ with single entity signing result in shorter usage periods for the signing key?, Thomas Lenggenhager, 08/04/2016
- RE: [Per-Entity] Does MDQ with single entity signing result in shorter usage periods for the signing key?, Cantor, Scott, 08/04/2016
- Re: [Per-Entity] Does MDQ with single entity signing result in shorter usage periods for the signing key?, Thomas Lenggenhager, 08/04/2016
- Re: [Per-Entity] Does MDQ with single entity signing result in shorter usage periods for the signing key?, Ian Young, 08/04/2016
- Re: [Per-Entity] Does MDQ with single entity signing result in shorter usage periods for the signing key?, Ian Young, 08/04/2016
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