Interfederation

[Jim Basney <>]

Hi,

Just a reminder with links below for our group call in about one hour.

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Agenda for next call:

* LeifJ intro to Project Mario
* Interfed with India: news from ScottK's trip
* Update on SteveC's test deployment of MDA code at Brown
* How best to use our 10 minute timeslot during the
  TAC Community Update webinar at noon ET on Fri Feb 22
* More brainstorming on interfed apps to drive our work
* anything else?

I've attached draft slides for the TAC Community Update on our group's
wiki page for your review & comment. Here are direct links:

https://spaces.internet2.edu/download/attachments/35980044/201302-incinterfed-intro.pdf

https://spaces.internet2.edu/download/attachments/35980044/201302-incinterfed-intro.pptx

-Jim

On 2/12/13 3:36 PM, Jim Basney wrote:
> Also on the agenda for next week:
> 
> * Leif Johansson will give us an introduction to Project Mario
> 
> On 2/12/13 1:38 PM, Jim Basney wrote:
>> Hi again,
>>
>> My notes from today's call are below.
>>
>> For next Tuesday's call I propose the following agenda:
>>
>> * Interfed with India: news from ScottK's trip
>> * Update on SteveC's test deployment of MDA code at Brown
>> * How best to use our 15 minute timeslot during the
>>   TAC Community Update webinar at noon ET on Fri Feb 22
>> * More brainstorming on interfed apps to drive our work
>>
>> Wiki link: https://spaces.internet2.edu/display/incinterfed
>>
>> -Jim
>>
>> -----
>>
>> attending: JimB, MarkS, IanY, PaulC, ScottC, TomS, SteveC, JohnK
>> eduGain policy committee meeting next week.
>>   expect to sign off on code of conduct and metadata profile.
>>   then send to technical group for review.
>>   JohnK and JimB are observers on technical group.
>>   challenge of a small group producing these documents.
>> Quilt/InCommon workshop outcomes
>>   http://www.thequilt.net/index.php/events/246-2013-quilt-incommon
>>   MarkS, PaulC, JohnK, and JimB were there.
>>   looking at how to provide fed to k-12 w/ participation by regionals.
>>   broaden focus to include community colleges.
>>   workshop attendees felt community colleges were low-hanging fruit.
>>   some regionals don't have k-12 in scope. others do. a mix.
>>   conclusion: 3 working groups created
>>     admin group: looking at administrative responsibilities shared
>>       between regionals, state systems, and InCommon
>>       also looking at membership status, business/cost models
>>     technical group: testing configurations, looking for pilots
>>       gateway / proxy IdPs (like social2SAML, Denmark / WAYF model)
>>       metadata aggregation (eduGain model)
>>     pilot group: work out pilot requirements
>>       announcing call for pilot proposals at I2 member meeting in Spring
>>       try to capture diversity in pilots to evaluate different models
>>   discussed bundle of services for pilot projects
>>   diverse interests / requirements
>>   U Alaska an example of state system.
>>   strong interest by Illinois pilot project (Bernie @ NCSA)
>>     common core state standards / online assessments
>>     ISLE project
>>   already identifier for primary ed in UK?
>>     had several attempts.
>>     current attempt supposed to reach through post-grad.
>>     not being used by SAML federation work?
>>     mainly instead using affiliation for SAML work.
>>     not exposing individual IDs. privacy concerns.
>>   better to leverage existing state-wide student identifier efforts
>> discussion of gateways
>>   TERENA gateway example
>>   concerns about delegating policy control / trust
>>   Google doesn't care what you do with data / We have FERPA.
>>   IdP versus SP gateways.
>>   SPs outnumber IdPs? does k-12 flip this?
>>   in UK more regional IdPs than IdP gateways
>>     bulk aggregated rather than actively interrogated
>>     10k scopes in k-12 sector through a handful of aggregate IdPs
>>     IdPs outnumbering SPs
>>     IdPs run by regional broadband consortia
>>     in close arrangement with SP suppliers (learning environments)
>> InCommon/University interfed
>>   17 IdPs in UTsystem. 15 campuses + system office + finances.
>>   UTsystem metadata pre-dated joining InCommon.
>>   federation manager tool works on pub/sub basis.
>>   whitelist specific entities in InCommon metadata to publish in
>>     UTsystem metadata.
>>   handful of metadata profiles.
>>   all UTsystem members are InCommon members.
>>   getting updates into InCommon metadata is manual. only Paul.
>>   potential improvement: automated publishing of UT metadata aggregate
>>     as input to InCommon metadata
>>   would need to figure out how UT metadata aggregate would be
>>     extension of trust in how site administrator gains access to
>>     InCommon system (second factor for metadata administration)
>>   starting step: Paul logs in to InCommon and gives metadata URL
>>     register certificate that signed it.
>>     related to XML submission.
>>     dynamic referral - InCommon delegates lookups to UT
>>     look at DNSsec for comparison.
>>   what are the technical obstacles we should focus on?
>> SteveC hoping to see progress on metadata distribution.
>>   Steve has a copy of Ian's MDA code at Brown.
>>   1st goal: publish merged InCommon+UK metadata file.
>> intention is for Shibboleth aggregator to include web service for
>>   metadata query protocol
>> interest in Project Mario - Let's get more info from Leif Johansson
>> something we can do with per-entity metadata?
>>   Scott will be proposing a separate subgroup for this.
>> if we add requirements for fancy technical solutions for metadata
>>   distribution, that takes pressure off of policy folks.
>>   focus on simple implementation for the work of our group.
>> TAC community update next week will cover work of this group.
>> Mark will check on status of UNC federation - Steven Hopper.
>>