Interfederation

[Jim Basney <>]

Also on the agenda for next week:

* Leif Johansson will give us an introduction to Project Mario

On 2/12/13 1:38 PM, Jim Basney wrote:
> Hi again,
> 
> My notes from today's call are below.
> 
> For next Tuesday's call I propose the following agenda:
> 
> * Interfed with India: news from ScottK's trip
> * Update on SteveC's test deployment of MDA code at Brown
> * How best to use our 15 minute timeslot during the
>   TAC Community Update webinar at noon ET on Fri Feb 22
> * More brainstorming on interfed apps to drive our work
> 
> Wiki link: https://spaces.internet2.edu/display/incinterfed
> 
> -Jim
> 
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> 
> attending: JimB, MarkS, IanY, PaulC, ScottC, TomS, SteveC, JohnK
> eduGain policy committee meeting next week.
>   expect to sign off on code of conduct and metadata profile.
>   then send to technical group for review.
>   JohnK and JimB are observers on technical group.
>   challenge of a small group producing these documents.
> Quilt/InCommon workshop outcomes
>   http://www.thequilt.net/index.php/events/246-2013-quilt-incommon
>   MarkS, PaulC, JohnK, and JimB were there.
>   looking at how to provide fed to k-12 w/ participation by regionals.
>   broaden focus to include community colleges.
>   workshop attendees felt community colleges were low-hanging fruit.
>   some regionals don't have k-12 in scope. others do. a mix.
>   conclusion: 3 working groups created
>     admin group: looking at administrative responsibilities shared
>       between regionals, state systems, and InCommon
>       also looking at membership status, business/cost models
>     technical group: testing configurations, looking for pilots
>       gateway / proxy IdPs (like social2SAML, Denmark / WAYF model)
>       metadata aggregation (eduGain model)
>     pilot group: work out pilot requirements
>       announcing call for pilot proposals at I2 member meeting in Spring
>       try to capture diversity in pilots to evaluate different models
>   discussed bundle of services for pilot projects
>   diverse interests / requirements
>   U Alaska an example of state system.
>   strong interest by Illinois pilot project (Bernie @ NCSA)
>     common core state standards / online assessments
>     ISLE project
>   already identifier for primary ed in UK?
>     had several attempts.
>     current attempt supposed to reach through post-grad.
>     not being used by SAML federation work?
>     mainly instead using affiliation for SAML work.
>     not exposing individual IDs. privacy concerns.
>   better to leverage existing state-wide student identifier efforts
> discussion of gateways
>   TERENA gateway example
>   concerns about delegating policy control / trust
>   Google doesn't care what you do with data / We have FERPA.
>   IdP versus SP gateways.
>   SPs outnumber IdPs? does k-12 flip this?
>   in UK more regional IdPs than IdP gateways
>     bulk aggregated rather than actively interrogated
>     10k scopes in k-12 sector through a handful of aggregate IdPs
>     IdPs outnumbering SPs
>     IdPs run by regional broadband consortia
>     in close arrangement with SP suppliers (learning environments)
> InCommon/University interfed
>   17 IdPs in UTsystem. 15 campuses + system office + finances.
>   UTsystem metadata pre-dated joining InCommon.
>   federation manager tool works on pub/sub basis.
>   whitelist specific entities in InCommon metadata to publish in
>     UTsystem metadata.
>   handful of metadata profiles.
>   all UTsystem members are InCommon members.
>   getting updates into InCommon metadata is manual. only Paul.
>   potential improvement: automated publishing of UT metadata aggregate
>     as input to InCommon metadata
>   would need to figure out how UT metadata aggregate would be
>     extension of trust in how site administrator gains access to
>     InCommon system (second factor for metadata administration)
>   starting step: Paul logs in to InCommon and gives metadata URL
>     register certificate that signed it.
>     related to XML submission.
>     dynamic referral - InCommon delegates lookups to UT
>     look at DNSsec for comparison.
>   what are the technical obstacles we should focus on?
> SteveC hoping to see progress on metadata distribution.
>   Steve has a copy of Ian's MDA code at Brown.
>   1st goal: publish merged InCommon+UK metadata file.
> intention is for Shibboleth aggregator to include web service for
>   metadata query protocol
> interest in Project Mario - Let's get more info from Leif Johansson
> something we can do with per-entity metadata?
>   Scott will be proposing a separate subgroup for this.
> if we add requirements for fancy technical solutions for metadata
>   distribution, that takes pressure off of policy folks.
>   focus on simple implementation for the work of our group.
> TAC community update next week will cover work of this group.
> Mark will check on status of UNC federation - Steven Hopper.
>