inc-librsvcs - Re: [inc-librsvcs] scheduling a first conference call
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- From: "Declan Fleming" <>
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- Subject: Re: [inc-librsvcs] scheduling a first conference call
- Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:39:32 -0700
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Hi - UCSD's group met today to prepare for next week's call. Here our our
comments on the question Steve asked:
"1) could each campus post to the (new!) email list the set of the
issues they feel they'll need to address in order to begin to use
Shibboleth within their library services. Possible issues might be
technical, integration, user experience, process, policy,
whatever....."
UCSD sees Shib as being used in libraries in 2 ways:
1) Vendors as Shibbolized service providers
In this instance, vendors support Shib as an authentication and authorization
mechanism. Campuses have the Shib components installed and configured to
allow their patrons access, and campus libraries have negotiated Shib as a
viable access method.
UCSD Background
This is the state UCSD is in right now. The Shib technical underpinnings are
provided by our Administrative Computing and Telecommunications (ACT) group.
A short list of vendors have Shib available as an access method to us.
We are very fortunate that our campus' Single Sign On (SSO) architecture is
Shib/SAML based, so the Libraries have a "built-in" Shib service we can rely
on. I am certain this is not the case at most Universities, and getting a
Shib architecture implemented is a high barrier to entry. [There is much
more to be said here about integration with existing campus identity
management.]
At UCSD, the initial setup, deployment, and support of the Shib technical
infrastructure is handled outside of the Libraries by ACT. This requires
close communication for training and any changes needed to accommodate new
vendors coming on board.
Issues in this case include:
a) There appear to be very few vendors available to simply turn on Shib.
Much work is still required in polling the vendors' state of readiness both
technically and from a contract perspective.
b) User training, already a significant public services workload, can become
more complicated due to the addition of another access option. Hopefully,
over time as Shib becomes the norm, this will settle out to be a win.
c) With a hybrid environment, Shib may not be compelling to a user who has
already figured out how to set up Proxy/VPN access on her machine to library
services, and who may be simultaneously required by the vendor to also use
Proxy/VPN access for the majority of services.
2) Libraries as service providers
In this case, a library has a web service that they would like to secure and
manage access to with Shib. One case we have now is a MediaWiki instance
that we would like to keep confined to just UCSD Libraries staff. Another
example is switching from barcodes to SSO for item checkout through our OPAC.
Issues in this case include:
a) A library must have sufficient technical expertise to modify their web
servers and web applications to work smoothly with Shib authentication and
authorization. For us, this was mainly a training effort. We have enough IT
staff within the Libraries to learn and implement a Shibbolized web
application. I'm not sure this is the case at most libraries. Our ACT group
has gone to great lengths to document straightforward procedures.
b) User training is also an issue here. What credentials do we expect them
to use? At UCSD, users do not have a single login and password that can be
expected to work in every instance. In fact, our campus SSO architecture is
designed with a "plug-in" methodology where the web application provider
chooses the set of credentials that is acceptable. Succinctly explaining to
a user which credentials to use is actually quite a challenge.
Other Concerns:
Privacy and Attribute Exposure Policy – ditto UofChicago
Walkup Patron - ditto UofChicago
UCSD – Gabe Lawrence has a proposed solution
Needs discussion to see if it can be used universally
How will places like the library set up affiliates on the fly?
UCSD working on web service
UCElinks (link resolvers) need to work smoothly with Shib’d resources
Focus on EJournal vendors to facilitate the tipping point – critical mass of
material to drive traffic through Shib
Shib doesn’t easily support load balancing and clustering – ditto UofChicago
Critical for a core infrastructure piece
Shib doesn’t really have a standard logout method
Declan
>>> <> 04/05/07 01:45PM >>>
Change already... based on feedback, the name of the list and the
domain/machine hosting the list have both been changed.... the old
list name is going away....
I'd like to suggest two action items:
1) could each campus post to the (new!) email list the set of the
issues they feel they'll need to address in order to begin to use
Shibboleth within their library services. Possible issues might be
technical, integration, user experience, process, policy,
whatever.....
2) schedule the first conference call, for some time during the week
of April 16th. Please send to the list days/times during that week
when you're available.... That week might might turn out to be too
close, but let's try....
I'd like to ask if the issues lists could be shared on the email
before the first conference call.
Thanks!
- Re: [inc-librsvcs] scheduling a first conference call, Holly Eggleston, 04/06/2007
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- Re: [inc-librsvcs] scheduling a first conference call, Luc Declerck, 04/08/2007
- Re: [inc-librsvcs] scheduling a first conference call, Declan Fleming, 04/13/2007
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