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  • From: Tom Scavo <>
  • To: Per-Entity Metadata Working Group <>
  • Subject: [Per-Entity] supporting metadata distribution via HTTPS
  • Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 12:22:50 -0400
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The following is not an Ops perspective (that’s a completely different
conversation :) I’m speaking now as a technical support person, one
who interacts with deployers every day. My overall experience is best
described as disappointing. I estimate that 2 in 5 deployers lack the
knowledge and/or experience to safely administer a SAML deployment.
Good documentation helps but not as much as you might think.

Here’s a case in point: front-channel vs. back-channel protocols. Most
deployers do not understand why there are two use=”signing”
certificates in Shibboleth IdP V3 metadata. I tell them the front and
back channels have completely different security models and therefore
best practice dictates that each of the two channels rely on distinct
key pairs. At that point, most eyes gloss over.

Recently, I’ve started to take a completely different approach when
consulting with deployers. All new IdP deployments are pushed firmly
towards front-channel bindings only. That sidesteps the difficult
front-channel vs back-channel security issue entirely. Out of sight,
out of mind!

We will have exactly the same problem if and when we start serving
metadata over HTTPS. The documentation that we have [1] will become
more complex. Deployers will see the little “s” in the metadata
location and blithely think all is well. Most will ignore the rest of
the documentation.

It’s ironic that the introduction of TLS might actually degrade the
overall trust fabric of the federation, but that is my fear.
Experience tells me that is a very real possibility.

Tom

[1] Metadata Client Software https://spaces.internet2.edu/x/QYG8Ag



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