InCommon Federation Discussions About Online Student Services

[Joanne Berg <>]

Thanks for taking these notes Dean. Here are a couple of follow-up items:

1) I've connected with CIC. Galen will try to join Amber Marks at the 
CIC meeting in Madison (October 19-21)
2) I believe that we "assigned" Ann to the task of connecting with 
AACRAO about the Tempe camp and PESC

Best,
Joanne



Dean Woodbeck wrote:
> Here are the notes from the InC-Student call of Aug. 8, 2008. Please 
> send any corrections to 
>
> These also appear on the wiki: 
> https://spaces.internet2.edu/display/InCCollaborate/08+August+2008
>
> --Dean
>
> *Draft Minutes*
> *InC-Student Working Group*
> *August 8, 2008*
>
> ***Attending***
>
> Andrea Beesing, Cornell
> Joanne Berg, Wisconsin
> Tom Black, Stanford
> Ken Klingenstein, Internet2
> Nancy Krogh, Idaho
> Mark McConahay, Indiana
> Karen Schultz, Penn State
> Renee Shuey, Penn State
> Dean Woodbeck, Internet2 (scribe)
>
> ***Action Items***
>
> Joanne and Ann will place this topic on the agenda for the next call: 
> whether the February CAMP should also include admissions representatives.
>
> Joanne will contact Karen Partlow and Galen Rafferty at the CIC office 
> to pursue a course-share session at the upcoming CIC meeting.
>
> Joanne will contact AACRAO regarding the scope of the Tempe CAMP and 
> the potential involvement of PESC.
>
> ***New Vendors/Vendor Updates***
>
> Tom Black reported on contacts with vendors.
>
> *Hobsons*, which has acquired AY Recruiting Solutions, is interested 
> in a Shibboleth deployment for their admissions and enrollment 
> management database tools. Stanford uses AY’s services for both 
> undergraduate and graduate admissions; Shibboleth would enable faculty 
> and staff access to the AY database.
>
> *CollegeNet* provides an online course evaluation system and Stanford 
> may be interested in enabling access by students and faculty through 
> Shibboleth. CollegeNet seems willing to talk about federating, but 
> there has been no follow-up.
>
> *iTunesU* is generating interest. Penn State participated in a pilot 
> for the service, which is used by faculty and students to record and 
> upload course information and podcasts. Eric Bailey of iTunesU will 
> present at the Internet2 Fall Member Meeting. The pilot has been 
> successful, but the Shibbolized services isn’t ready for wide scale 
> production. The pilot is documented in the InC-Apple wiki:
>
> Registrar involvement in an iTunesU implementation is crucial. At Penn 
> State, apple originally requested a list of all students, as well as 
> the associated course information. The prospect of transferring such a 
> large amount of data, managing enrollment changes and FERPA concerns 
> all led to the use of Shibboleth.
>
> Penn State has sponsored *Digital Measures* for InCommon 
> participation. The company provides a faculty portfolio system.
>
> Cornell has an inquiry to work with *University Tickets*. The company 
> is working with some institutions on implementing Shibboleth.
>
> Ken mentioned a recent stream of requests on the InC-Participants 
> email list about various vendors and trying to move them toward 
> federating. InCommon follows up on those.
>
> The Microsoft offer of *Dreamspark* has proven to be very popular. 
> This project involves a different twist on federating. A student 
> validates enrollment once a year. This information is used to 
> provision a Windows Live account, through which the student accesses 
> DreamSpark. This leads to some interesting privacy questions. While 
> the IdP uses Shibboleth to validate enrollment without providing 
> personally identifiable information, the student ends up revealing 
> such information when establishing a Windows Live account.
>
> ***CAMP/AACRAO – Feb. 2009***
>
> It is confirmed that the February 2009 CAMP topic is student services 
> and identity management. The CAMP is scheduled for February 4-6, 2009, 
> in Tempe, Arizona. AACRAO will be involved with program development 
> and institutions will be encouraged to send both the registrar and an 
> IT person.
>
> There was discussion about whether admissions offices should also be 
> included, given the increased interest in federating by related 
> vendors. This could have a wide-ranging impact, such as on the growing 
> number of institutions that share courses. The question about whether 
> to involve admissions in the CAMP will be discussed on the next call.
>
> A suggestion for the CAMP registrar track is a basic session on the 
> identity management process – down to adding an identity to your 
> database and identifying that individual. Overall, this concerns the 
> role of the registrar office in the provisioning and management of data.
>
> ***Course Sharing***
>
> There was a discussion about an increased interest in state-based, 
> system-based and consortium-based federations. This led to a 
> conversation about course sharing among CIC (Committee for 
> Institutional Cooperation) schools (which includes the Big Ten and the 
> University of Chicago). Current practices in this space are not 
> scalable. Wisconsin, for example, has course sharing arrangements with 
> University of Wisconsin system schools as well as CIC schools. This 
> has led to an interest in federating these services. (AI) (Joanne 
> Berg) will contact Karen Partlow and Galen Rafferty at the CIC office 
> to pursue a course-share session at the upcoming CIC meeting.
>
> ***PESC (Post-secondary Electronic Standards Council)***
>
> Nancy met with PESC on a July 16 conference. Most of the call was 
> spent on the AACRAO Tech conference. Another meeting is scheduled for 
> the PESC Member Summit, October 6-7, in Arlington, Virginia. The PESC 
> EA2 (e-authentication/e-authorization) task force charge is to improve 
> service, lower unit costs, and ensure security through the 
> implementation of e-Authentication and e-Authorization technology and 
> practices.
>
> EA2 has spurred a discussion, within the PESC framework, on 
> e-authentication standards and the potential to extend those standards 
> to federal government e-authentication efforts, particularly within 
> the Department of Education.
>
> Renee Shuey reported that Penn State conducted a federating pilot with 
> the Department of Education, working with Neil Sattler. Nothing 
> further has happened.
>
> Ken reported that Peter Alterman, who was a champion for 
> e-authentication at the National Institutions of Health, now works 
> directly for the GSA and will probably become the lead champion for 
> the federal e-Auth effort. He is encouraging federal departments and 
> agencies to join InCommon and begin federating their applications. One 
> of the first agencies targeted is the Department of Veteran Affairs (VA).
>
> This could be useful for registrars. Joanne reported that Wisconsin 
> works, on a daily basis, with the federal VA office, the state 
> veterans’ office and the university system office, on questions of 
> benefits and financial aid. Federated identity could simplify and 
> smooth this process.
>
> ***Next Call: August 22, 2008, 3 p.m. (EDT)***
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