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Re: [InC-Student] Notes from July 25


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  • From: "RL 'Bob' Morgan" <>
  • To: InC-Student <>
  • Subject: Re: [InC-Student] Notes from July 25
  • Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:28:25 -0700 (PDT)


Sounds like it was a productive call. Let me follow up on a couple of points.

2) If it's AACRAO then, who would develop IdM-related recommendations? Nancy mentioned the AACRAO Information Systems and Technology Committee, but thought that the IdM scope is too big (or too specific) for her group. Joanne mentioned that a task force should be assembled to work on shared IdM issues. It should have campus members from the registrar/IT areas and be a traveling forum to help both communities come together. Joanne then proposed that this InC-Student group be repurposed/charged with this task, since we have the right folks on it already. We would just need the blessing of AACRAO.

This sounds like a great idea to me. InCommon has been a good venue for those of us doing identity management to engage a number of communities, including the AACRAO community (also libraries, research administration, government, learning management, etc). It seems fine to me for those engagements not to be limited onlyto federation cases.

The group would use federated identity as a driver to inspire campuses to adopt standard practices. In this light, our primary tasks might be:
a) review existing federal (higher education?) documents/practices and promulgate them in the AACRAO community and
b) identify gaps that are of most concern that we should consider. One example that came up is developing strategies for resolving duplicate identities; this topic is not germane to federating but is certainly sticky for campus operations.

Actually federation has a number of interactions with the duplicate identity problem. In one way it makes the problem worse, of course, since there will likely be more places someone can be "from". In other ways it may make things better, as users are becoming more familiar with the notion of merging multiple accounts, since it happens on the Internet all the time now, making user self-matching more feasible as a duplicate reduction technique.

- Enrollment verification and vendors interested in using/supplying this service. MyIdentit-e (https://www.myidentit-e.com/) is a enrollment verification service offered by Douglas Stewart Company and just joined the InCommon Federation. From the website, it looks like students send their information to this service, and it would in turn verify their status to vendors (using SAML/Shib?) and enable them to get "discounted products." Student Universe (http://www.studentuniverse.com) is an example of the type of discount service that is the target for MyIdentit-e.

Note that studentsonly.com (which serves studentuniverse.com) has been a member of InCommon for quite a while. We've been working with them at UW to set them up to rely on student-status verification via federated signon. The holdup as usual was getting a legal agreement in place. I think we're just about ready to go. We're hoping that our agreement and setup can be a model for other campuses and other vendors for this use case.

What proves "student-ness" in this context? And does the eduPerson Schema have the right attributes?

The university remains authoritative, we're just changing the means of getting the info to the service. Yes, eduPersonScopedAffiliation works fine, ie it has a defined "student" value that many sites are using.

How many attributes does it take to point to identity? Nancy reported a recent conference where schools used 3-10 pieces of information, but the mean was 5. We'd want to be cognizant about when we cross over from the point of verifying enrollment to supplying identity.

I'm not sure what "supplying identity" means exactly, but the cheap-tickets-for-students case needs an assertion of student status, and in the case of studentsonly.com, it also needs the student's name, since the airline requirement is that the name on the ticket match the name of the person who has the verified status. So that's what they'll be getting from us.

- RL "Bob"




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